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Revolution and Reality: A Transcript and
Analysis of Mark Koernke's "Time is Running
Out."
Last Updated, March 1, 1998
Introduction
Although the militia movement and the so-called "patriot" movement are often in the
news (usually when various members are arrested for criminal acts), most Americans
still understand little about why members believe the things they believe or do the things
they do. They might hear, for instance, that four members of the John Doe Militia were
arrested for building pipe bombs to use against authorities in the event of some sort of
threatened "gun confiscation," but they have had little opportunity to understand why the
members were motivated to take those sorts of actions or who planted the germs of the
scheme in their heads.
Where do these notions of a "New World Order," gun confiscation, United Nations
troops and black helicopters come from? Unbeknownst to most Americans, the "patriot"
movement has created an entirely separate, parallel system of information distribution.
Where most Americans might get their news from Tom Brokaw, Newsweek, NPR, Ted
Koppel, the Los Angeles Times and the Wall Street Journal, to name a few examples,
these are not typical news sources for members of the "patriot" movement. An average
"patriot" would instead depend on sources like the various shortwave radio programs
broadcast by Worldwide Christian Radio (WWCR), similar programs on the little-known
satellite radio, magazines like Media Bypass, newsletters like the "Patriot Report",
newspapers like The Spotlight, books and pamphlets produced by vanity and private
presses unsold in any bookstore, video- and audiotapes prepared by a variety of right-
wing leaders, and all sorts of World Wide Web sites. Taken together, these and other
sources provide an alternative source of news which is radically and drastically different
from the mainstream news media. As a result, New York Times stories are dismissed,
while rumors of United Nations troops printed in an eight-page xeroxed newsletter are
taken as gospel truth.
Among the patriot propagandists, few are more notorious than Mark Koernke, known to
his fans as "Mark from Michigan." A maintenance worker for the University of
Michigan most of the time, Koernke's alter ego is that of militia leader and patriot rabble
rouser. His primary vehicle for getting his message across is a daily shortwave radio
program called "The Intelligence Report," conducted jointly with John Stadtmiller. But
Koernke also travels around the country, most notably to "Preparedness Expos," which
are a sort of travelling trade fair for extremists and survivalists, giving speaking
engagements to crowds that can range into the hundreds. Many of these speaking
engagements are videotaped (the most notorious such videotape is a recording of one of
his early speeches, the 1993 America in Peril) and the videotapes widely copied and
distributed. These efforts have made Koernke one of the most visible figures in the
"patriot" movement, even though, because he rarely ever grants interviews with the
mainstream media, he is largely unknown to the rest of the population. Koernke's fifteen
minutes of fame came in 1995 in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing of the Murrah
Federal Building. Early reports that Timothy McVeigh was a member of a Michigan
Militia (including at least one eyewitness report placing him with Koernke), coupled
with a fax that Koernke sent to then-Congressmen Steve Stockman hours after the blast,
seemed to link Koernke with the bombing and for a brief time the media hounded
Koernke, trying to find out more about him. He even became the subject of a feature
article in Time Magazine. The adverse publicity caused WWCR to (temporarily) drop
his radio show. However, Koernke bounced back to regain his status as a leader of the
"patriot" movement.
Koernke is popular for a number of reasons. He combines an effective speaking style
(his delivery has improved noticeably since 1993) with a well-honed sense of sarcasm.
Moreover, he effectively communicates to his audience the notion that he is privy to all
sorts of secret and valuable information. Koernke is well-served in that regard by a
powerful ability to recall information that he's read in the past. Koernke's speeches are
often interrupted by applause and he occasionally even receives a standing ovation upon
finishing.
Several strategies on Koernke's part are immediately apparent to anyone who has seen a
number of his videos and public appearances. These rhetorical devices include:
--Attempts to assure his audiences that they are not part of a small fringe but rather
members of a vast and powerful movement. This is Koernke's attempt to deal with the
timidity and apathy that isolation often produces in members of the patriot movement.
Sensing that few of their family members, colleagues or neighbors agree with their
extreme views, they become unwilling to actually take action. Some speakers try to deal
with this problem by pointing out that even small numbers can accomplish great ends--
they frequently assert (incorrectly) that only 3% of the population supported the rebels
during the American Revolution. Koernke more commonly attempts to create the
illusion that audience members are part of a very large network of dedicated--and active-
-"patriots." More than a number of other speakers, Koernke is concerned about actually
mobilizing his audiences to take action.
--Attempts to "chart" the workings of the New World Order. An extremely common
rhetorical device used by Koernke is to try to depict the "enemy" as consciously working
under a well-known, detailed, long-term plan to take over the world, and particularly the
United States. He constantly talks about their timetable for conquest, frequently asserting
that the end is very, very near. One problem this tactic raises is the same one faced by
religious fanatics who discover that the world did not end when they predicted it would.
Koernke frequently has to deal with the fact that gun confiscation, street gangs as police
forces, foreign invasions and various other overt acts that he alleges are imminent never
actually occur. Typically he does this by suggesting that it has been the struggles of the
"patriot" movement that have kept these forces at bay, that have "upset their plans." He
cannot point to any actual acts by the movement which have stopped any particular
plans, but he gets by with the use of vague allusions.
--Attempts to convince his audience that he is extremely knowledgeable on a wide range
of military, political and intelligence issues. Koernke downplays his lowly status as a
maintenance worker and makes references to his "military intelligence background" (in
reality, his status in the military was as lowly as his status in civilian life). He uses his
powerful memory to talk about a wide variety of subjects, making statements as to why
they "really" occurred, and how they relate to the plans of the New World Order.
What follows this introduction is an annotated transcript of a videotape produced and
distributed by Mark Koernke. Like all of their videotapes, it contains no copyright and
may be freely distributed. This particular video, labeled "Time is Running Out," was
produced in mid-April 1994, making it one of his earlier videos. It is also unusual in that
it is not a videotaped speaking engagement, but rather a "private" gathering of Koernke
with some of his followers. Koernke made several such videotapes. In them, Koernke
usually gives long, rambling addresses to a small (anonymously off-screen or silhouetted
in black) group of associates. Koernke, who has the ability to talk almost non-stop
continuously for hours, enchants his audiences by dancing back and forth on a wide
variety of subjects. In this particular video, Koernke tends to mix "militia
neep" (explained below) with discussions of various current events.
Because it is considerably more informal than a public speaking engagement, it is
possible to get a clearer picture of the worldview of Koernke and his followers, as they
discuss a variety of topics (although Koernke always has center stage). This is, in
actuality, a videotaped "militia meeting," although one held for public consumption.
To the transcriber, this video presented a particular challenge. To begin with, Koernke
talks extremely rapidly, as he himself admits in this video, making transcription an
extremely difficult task. The quality of the production is poor, and participants other than
Koernke are difficult to understand, particularly when more than one person talks at
once. Lastly, the quality of the particular copy of the videotape used for transcription is
also poor; it is clearly at least a fourth or fifth generation copy. As a result of all these
factors, the accuracy of the transcription cannot be guaranteed, even though every effort
was made to provide as clean and as accurate a transcription as possible.
Time is Running Out, video made April 1994, length approximately
86 minutes. Speaker: Mark Koernke.
Transcript
Commentary
Setting: Camera tightly focused on Koernke’s head: he is sitting in
front of a shelf of videotapes, presumably in a living room, den or
garage somewhere. Koernke is dressed all in black and holds a
microphone up to his head. This is not a public speaking
engagement, but rather a small gathering of some of his close
associates. The voices other than Mark's in the videotape indicate
both males and females present.
Koernke: …two weeks since last we were all
together. First of all, we went through the
Dakotas, South Dakota. Excellent flight out,
not that you need to know about flights, but to
give you an idea, it was actually pretty decent
flying. We linked up with a series of patriots
who organized an impromptu meeting over the
last couple of weeks. In the short period of
time they had they announced the gun shows,
the gun shops, a variety of other patriot
mechanisms, brought a lot of people together at
the Holiday Inn. We started at about 7:30 in the
evening and didn’t stop until midnight.
And we had three media people there and I just
got information about the second program and
it was very good. We got a front page, two
column article and it's, the parallel article that
ran with it was on the Waco tape. And this was
a Grand Rapids, er, not Grand Rapids, Rapid
City newspaper, one of the two big ones they
have there. This gentleman stayed for the
whole show, unlike a lot of other media people,
he was attentive, he took notes. It was really
funny because he started getting into things. In
the middle we were talking about how you
parade the American flag and burn the rag we
were told about, the three red stripes and the
three stars. He was the only one who clapped.
Arrrh, he got really excited. So not all the
media’s against us, in fact, a lot of them get
really motivated, wrapped up in this, they start
to get into it. We had one tv crew there, but the
guy didn’t stay very long, so I guess he didn’t
get the kind of response he expected or wanted.
We probably got a little blurb on the news, but
maybe then again we didn’t because I talked
the way I usually do and I try to put everything
in one sentence and he couldn’t cut it out very
easily and I’m sure he couldn’t chop it, so he
probably threw it away, because we stressed
that it was a constitutional issue. "It’s a
constitutional issue, dummy, don’t you
understand, listen to what I said, it’s the third
question like this, what’s wrong with you,
One of Mark
Koernke's primary
goals in his
videotapes and
speaking
presentations is to
try to reassure his
audience that there
are a large number
of "patriots" across
the country, that the
members of the
audience are by no
means alone, but
rather part of a vast
movement, even if
they themselves feel
isolated or alone.
Thus reassured, the
viewer or audience
member will then
theoretically be less
timid and more
willing to take
action.
Koernke
accomplishes this in
several ways. One
frequent tactic--
used in this
videotape--is to tell
about meetings and
groups in other
areas of the country.
Indeed, to the extent
that this rambling
videotape has a
form or structure, it
is loosely based
around Koernke's
recent visits to
South Dakota and to
Texas. Anecdotes
about these events
aren’t you thinking, don’t you understand?"
We weren’t quite that abusive, but it was a lot
of fun, because the guy put the camera down,
looked at me, goes, you know, what’s that guy
who did JFK?
Unidentified Person: Stone.
Koernke: Stone. He goes, "You know, you’re
a lot like interviewing Oliver Stone." He goes,
"One more question, then I gotta go." That was
about it, so that was a good compliment. In
other words, he couldn’t get anything out of it
that he wanted, so he had to end the
conversation.
Umm, the overall meeting was a good review
of what’s happening in their state. You’ve seen
the markers, you’ve seen the signs, the black
shirts are there. Again, it varies. Federal forces
are altering their postures because, for instance,
we know the Minuteman system is being shut
down. Those would be an awful lot of nice
grain silos out there if they would transfer them
to the civilian population, and they’re
destroying them, shattering these cities' sites
now, instead of giving them to the people or
selling them to the people on a regular basis,
which is creating a lot of harm out there. The
Bureau of Land Management is not loved by
anybody. The militia is expanding rapidly, uh,
a lot of people are saying that, well, a year ago
there were some people organized but in the
last year it has geometrically expanded ,
progressively, month after month after month.
And now they don’t have any problem talking
to people, telling people what’s going on, and
people are listening. There’s a reason for that.
All you need to do is watch that television for
about another two hours and you’ll find out
very quickly that we were absolutely right, so
there should be no doubt in anybody’s mind.
serve as the
springboard for his
lengthy commentary
on other issues.
A second tactic, not
really used in this
video, but often used
at his speaking
engagements, is
direct exhortation,
in which he
explicitly tells the
audience that they
are part of a vast
movement.
However, he does
make several
allusions to the
"numbers" that they
have, which we will
see later.
One of the major
scare tactics used
by proselytizers for
the militia
movement is the
notion of "gun
They’re definitely going to push for the
firearms grab, there’s enough information from
across the country that’s first hand, not third
hand--somebody said that somebody heard that
somebody thought they heard--but first hand
data where they're training extensively in
house to house, they’re training extensively in
forced entry and no knock search warrants and
we’re seeing this in every corner of the
country. The only reason people aren’t finding
this is if they’re not making the effort to,
basically they don’t want to hear this.
Now I’m going to stress this again with
everybody; if you have a person who’s
listening, if you have a person who’s attentive,
treat that person like a gem; they're an equal
and very quickly they might become like a star
that’s poom! goes off on their own like
anywhere and you don’t know where they’re
going to go. On the other hand, if you have a
person who’s debating just for the sake of
debate, your time is precious and you cannot
replace it. Ignore the problem and go on to
somebody else. Okay, I’m serious. Now you’ll
find sometimes they’ll even follow you down a
hallway and through a store or whatever, you
don’t need that, you’ve got other things to do.
Those people will wake up in the morning with
their bodies in the street and they’ll finally
figure out that maybe something's wrong. You
can't liberate other people, you can’t free other
people. If they're going to get out of this rut, if
they're going to educate themselves, that’s one
thing.
But you only have so much time that you can
spend. Now you know who your friends and
enemies are, like I said before, trust this, the
back of your neck, this thing raises up, the
hackles raise up, there’s a reason. The
subconscious has already registered what’s
going on, it's just the conscious mind hasn’t
kicked in yet. So use that. And with regards to
dealing with National Guard, reservists, active
Army, if you’re afraid to talk to military
people, identify, put the packet together that
you think are going to be best suited for that
confiscation," the
notion that the
federal government
will embark upon a
series of
confiscations of the
guns of "law
abiding
Americans." This
issue is the single
most effective way
the militia
movement was able
to make inroads
into more
mainstream
America, by
appealing to the
fears of gun owners
that they will no
longer be able to
own guns.
Here Koernke uses
fear-mongering at
its most graphic:
the notion that
police are being
"extensively"
trained in forced
entry in order to go
door to door,
confiscating guns.
The backdrop to
this statement is the
impending passage
of the 1994 crime
bill (which included
the Brady bill
imposing a waiting
period for the
purchase of
hanguns) and the
assault weapons
manufacture ban,
also passed in 1994.
Needless to say,
none of these house
person, and drop them off anonymously. If
you're really afraid to talk to law enforcement
do the same thing, make up a packet, go there
at nine at night, zip by the mail box and have
the kids do it or walk up to the mailbox and
shove it in and walk away . What we like to do
is leave it on the windshield, under the
windshield wiper…find a VCR tape and it
makes everybody wonder, if it’s something this
size.
Person: I did that this morning and the car
alarm went off.
Laughter.
Koernke: ….barring the car alarms going off,
well, it's not really a nice car, it probably
doesn’t have a car alarm, but if it is a nice car,
you might want to think about that. Watch for
stickers first, remember, says ‘this car
protected by’… Well, we’ve had good success
with all the anonymous systems we used, and
we had a lot of fun with it, too, uh, the other
thing you might do, and there’s some people
here that are with reserve, guard, or even some
active sometimes, they’re off duty that come
in. If you can identify on the window that they
have a regular training date, what I recommend
you do if you want to inundate a whole unit all
at once is, if you can identify a guard unit, you
know what their training weekend is; prepare a
series of tapes, maybe 10, 50 or 20 copies, mix
em up, not just one tape, but several different
tapes. Get a bunch of literature prepared, get
five or six people together, scurry through the
lot as you see somebody standing there and
give it to them, put some of the stuff on the
cars, walk in to the building if you’re bold
enough to. Walk right up to some people and
say "here."
Or, my favorite is to go into the bathroom, you
know, the library, and leave things wherever
they can be found easily and also leave a tape
or two where it can be found laying around.
We do that at the bank sometimes. I have the
most fun with doing literature at the banks;
what you do is you walk into the bank and
to house seizures
ever occurred, and
the "first hand data"
to which Koernke
alludes did not even
exist.
The other major
issue Koernke raises
here is militia
recruitment, which
is one of the major
subjects of this
video. In 1994,
when this video was
made, the militia
movement was still
in its infancy and its
organizers, like
Koernke, were very
concerned with the
subject of
recruitment. What is
of particular note in
this section are the
groups which
Koernke
particularly targets
for recruitment:
active military and
National Guard
personnel, and
police officers. In
fact, the militia
movement still tries
very strongly to
recruit from these
pools. Several
police officers have
been arrested within
the last year for
criminal activities
as part of militia
groups. This is a
major area of
concern for many
law enforcement
agencies.
almost always they have the drop box out by
the vestibule. You're sitting there, what you do
is you look around, you write out a piece of
paper, you leave a whole bunch of the stuff
laying there, then you get in line, which is what
you really planned on doing. If you keep
looking back, eventually you'll find that the
next person walks up to the box, and goes, he
looks at it for a minute, then he'll look around,
then he'll read it some more, then he'll look
around one more time, then he'll go <grabbing
gesture> into the shirt or into the papers or
into the purse, but what’ll happen is their
curiosity is piqued and they’ll carry it away.
Somebody will carry it away. And it's fun to
watch anyway because people are always
worried, "I wonder if the owner is still there, I
don’t want to leave it and I don’t really want to
steal it," but it's not really stealing because he
didn’t worry about leaving it behind, did he?
So away they go. That’s the type of
anonymous bond, you’ll never know where it
went, you’ll never know how it goes, perhaps,
you might see them at a meeting like this, or
down the road, you might see them at the next
ambush, on the other side of the road, firing on
the same vehicle you are , which is great, "Hey
didn’t I see you at K-mart?" "Oh yeah, that's
where I got the shotgun." So it works that way
and it's really good. The patriots out there are
plain old folk, a lot of good guys, husbands and
wives, working together, a lot of kids, we have
good range of age groups from very old to very
young and everything in between. That's
important because you want to try to make sure
you interlock the generations, get everybody
together, so everybody knows what's
happening.
Note that Koernke
here makes a subtle
point, suggesting
again that members
of the militia
movement are part
of a vast network,
and "you'll never
know how it goes,"
but there are all
sorts of people who
will show up on
your side when the
shooting starts.
The tape was not
Came back, not an eventful flight at all, in fact,
pretty dull, some of the best flights we've had
coming back on that one, ever, I’ve flown, nice
smooth landing. Just the last one, not the first
one. The last part of the flight looked….the
stewardess did the final flight into Detroit. For
a while there we thought it was pages from
Hunter, we were going right over the spot
where the plane went the other way on the
road, we were coming down towards that, we
didn’t quite know where we were going for a
bit, the pilot was having a heckuva time trying
to find where the runway was…obviously, we
got here.
particularly clear
at this point, so it
was difficult to
understand this
portion. The
reference to
"Hunter," if this is
what Koernke
actually said, might
be a reference to
the novel of the
same name by
William Pierce,
author of "The
Turner Diaries."
However, the
nature of the
reference is
unclear.
The next step was these last couple of days we
were down for the anniversary of Waco in
Odessa. Odessa’s on the far western side, out
where the desert is, in Texas. It’s a nice area,
we met some of the best patriot units we've
seen as far as small light units, that’s right,
these people were all serious about it, they
absorbed everything, they took everything we
had to give them, they provided us with a lot of
data , they are well organized, can’t emphasize
that enough, they're already into their teams,
they’ve already got training programs going
and they're cycling people in and out
constantly.
Person: They’re heavy into their psyops.
Koernke: Yes, yep, psychological warfare,
they have an excellent psychological warfare
unit also. These people have been doing a lot
of work in the area, and also moving into
different parts of the states, trying to organize
other people. The meeting started again about
6:30, 7:00; we went out again 'til about
midnight. We had a good crowd, the usual. The
other meeting up in South Dakota, where the
feds didn’t have a great interest in it, we had
our usual potpourri, of cutthroats, who usually
don’t last but three quarters of the meeting,
when they realize we start talking about
pushing them into the ocean and everybody
starts clapping they realize they're very much
alone. In fact, they get real nervous. Usually
you start losing their face behind someone
else's head or they won’t look up anymore,
they can't bring their eyes up to look at
anybody, they can't clap, and then eventually
they disappear. You know, they skulk out the
back door or slink to the bathroom and
disappear after that. But the meeting as a whole
was really good.
We did a radio program before that; we also
did a radio program the second day. To give
you an idea of the kind of response, after we
got off the air, they had a hundred plus calls
come into the station in less than an hour. They
had never seen anything like that before. So the
people are out there waiting, all we gotta do is
make sure we make contact with them so
they’ve got the ammunition. And once you’ve
got it away they go. And it's like down in
Florida where we experienced that, or we did
this also in Pennsylvania. People will grab the
tapes, we don’t care what you do with them,
everybody knows that. You take the tapes, they
use that as base ammunition, then they build up
their own database themselves, local
newspaper, television.
I mean right now I think everybody’s got to
admit, television is just plain arrogant right
now. If there's any doubt in anyone's mind that
Again, Koernke
emphasizes the
great size of the
movement: "the
people are out there
waiting."
Koernke's reference
in this section to the
"New World Order"
and its goal "of
taking this country"
is an excellent
example of his
worldview, which to
say the least borders
on the paranoid.
Here he engages in
a device he
frequently uses in
his speeches and
videos, in which he
describes the
strategies of the
"enemy," which he
knows in great
detail. Here a
"date's probably
set" for the takeover
of the country.
the New World Order does not have a goal of
taking this country, then you’d better, if you’re
thinking there’s some other option for them,
then you can probably leave right now, because
there’s no doubt in my mind, and there’s no
way that anyone can argue against it. The
date’s probably set, we don’t know what that
is, and we won’t until the time comes, but
they’re desperate right now, in fact, if anything
I will say this, they are shrill. That’s the only
term I can use, they are actually panicking to a
limited extent. They’re doing everything they
can to get as much out and they’re piling up
everything, one project on top of another.
That’s not like your enemy. Normally your
enemy is very consistent and very concise.
They’re methodical, they take their time, and
what they will do is target, create an objective,
create a condition, remember: thesis, antithesis,
synthesis. But normally they’ll at least create
the semblance of some mock opposition.
Almost everything right now is totally plastic.
It’s just the illusion of going through the
numbers. That tells me they finally figured out
what's out here, to a certain extent, and now
they perceive that victory is not assured, they
know that now.
Person: The crime bill is an example of that.
Koernke: That’s right, it’s rushed. In fact, the
same type of rhetoric they used with NAFTA:
"Oh, it's so close, oh, it's neck and neck,"
when….they were forty votes over what was
necessary. That should tell you everything
right there. In this case, the crime bill is a done
thing. Ignore the garbage with the debate. It is
now a pending situation. When that happens,
this whole environment changes. No longer
will we be free to meet in any home, no longer
will we be free to meet in public, the
videotapes, anything we have on the
videotapes, anything you have on written
material, will probably be a crime, I think you
pretty well understand that. But that’s again
because of the situation that’s been developed
here, not here with us, but in the country itself.
This is a long-term plan but they are now
desperate to accelerate it. They hoped to take a
However, Koernke
always leaves
himself an out. What
if the New World
Order does not
actually take over
the United States in
1994? If it doesn't,
then this is not
evidence that there
is no New World
Order conspiracy
threatening
America, but rather
it is evidence that
the activities of the
"patriot movement"
somehow defeated
(always only
temporarily) the
New World Order.
Koernke here
asserts that they are
now panicking, that
they "perceive that
victory is not
assured." These
illusionary victories
against an
illusionary foe are
what Koernke uses,
again and again
and again, to create
for his audiences the
illusion that they are
somehow heroic
participants in some
great struggle
between good and
evil, even if the
participants
themselves have a)
never taken any
action and b) never
actually perceived
any foe themselves.
Koernke also again
makes some of his
few more years, but they can’t.
Person: They’re still gonna come here.
dire predictions, in
this case regarding
the crime bill
(passed shortly
thereafter). The
crime bill would
make it illegal for
"patriots" to meet,
he argues, illegal to
distribute
videotapes or
written materials.
Obviously, none of
that ever even came
close to
materializing.
Koernke: That’s right. They’re still gonna
come and get it and that’s what they’ve
realized. They do not have the resources to
accomplish the mission. Their psyop
technology is not going to do it. Their
capability as far as their military potential is
dependent heavily on America betraying itself.
If we work hard now, we can hurt them even
more, because they are more blatant about
what their intentions are. If they're going to get
the guns, Clinton’s said uncategorically, he
was going to find or create a way or fabricate a
way through the Constitution to confiscate
arms and go house to house. That’s exactly
what he’s talking about. One of our allies out
of Louisiana, out in New Orleans, called.
They're lawyers, that’ve been directly involved
in several of these other Constitutional fights.
They got hold of us while we were down in
Texas, which kind of surprised us, because
they had to hunt us down. What they said, they
talked to the judge personally, they called up to
thank him for his ruling in favor of the
Constitution and against the no knock search
warrants—
Person: In Chicago?
Koernke: In Chicago. But what he had to say
was this. Yes, we won this time, for the
Once more,
Koernke raises a
shrill voice about
gun confiscation.
Clinton, he alleges,
has "said
uncategorically, he
was going
to...fabricate a way
through the
Constitution to
confiscate arms and
go house to house."
In reality, Clinton
never said any such
thing.
This mention of a
judge in Chicago is
a reference to U.S.
District Judge
Wayne Andersen,
who in February
1994 issued an
order to the
moment, but they already told him, when they
confronted him, that one way or another, if
they would not get it constitutionally, they
would do it without the constitution. Now they
told the judge that and brought it out. Needless
to say, that ‘s the person that’s sitting on the
bench right now. First of all, it took a lot of
guts to stand up in the first place, in light of
what’s actually happening, in the wave that
he’s facing.
Person: He’s a marked man.
Koernke: Agreed. He’s a marked man, but he
probably also understands that if they win, he’s
a marked man anyway. Doesn’t make any
difference. As more and more people realize
this is a one-way street, we either win or we
are defeated utterly. There’s no compromise on
this, the enemy’s already told you, if they win,
they get it all. We have to become very
resolute, we have to decide right now if I’m
going to be free or slave. I’ve already made
that decision years ago, I think everybody else
here has, too, now you’ve just got to decide
what it is you're going to respond, not react,
but as far as response goes, it’s going to have
to be methodical, it’s going to have to be very
specific.
Chicago Housing
Authority to halt a
highly controversial
practice of
searching public
housing apartments
for weapons and
drugs. The Housing
Authority had been
conducting
searches without
obtaining search
warrants or asking
the tenants'
permission to enter.
Andersen said that
this policy violated
the Fourth
Amendment, which
protects against
unreasonable
searches and
seizures.
Needless to say, he
was not a "marked
man," and nothing
ever happened to
him for his
decision.
What we need to have people do now, this
weather is nice. This is our fighting ground, the
state of Michigan. Now the Republic of
Michigan is what we are planning on hanging
on to. We could run to other states and
eventually we might have to abandon the
situation. If you’re planning on fighting here,
there are a couple of things we want you to do,
we’ve already got people doing for years, not
just for months….
And what we’re planning on doing is, if we
can, we’re going to assign all of you, the first
mission is to go out and dig in, I don’t mean
dig bunker complexes pe se. We want you to
go out to the outlying areas, pick some place
This lengthy section
is a typical, if not
particularly
interesting, example
of "militia neep"--
that is, language
designed to indicate
expertise in
military-related
topics. Although
here the subject of
the neep is field
fortifications, the
most common
subject of militia
neep is, not
miles away from your house or a mile away
from your house in a secluded area. We want
you to dig in and create a fortified position of
some type, one or two man each, two or three
in a network. We want them completely
camouflaged over and leave them. Now there
are some rules, and I want to explain them. I
saw this and these people were asking about
these people that were arrested, they thought it
was in Florida, it was in California. People
were in the National forest out in the
boondocks and what they were doing, they had
dug positions and they were apparently
stashing arms and equipment, we all know
what that was about. They made several major
mistakes, which were flaws in the plan, though,
and I saw it when I saw those pictures. Now it
could have been a propaganda piece;
remember, they know what’s going on and
they know they can’t stop all this because we
will termite their ass. You get a million people
out here doing this and you can’t keep track of
them. Big Brother does not have an all-seeing
eye; that’s an illusion. They’re counting on
everybody thinking, as Orwell said, when he
talked, Orwell talked about the black
helicopters. The black helicopters' mission was
to go around and make everybody believe they
could see everything. It’s not that they could
see everything, it’s that everyone was terrified
into dysfunction so that nobody did anything.
And that’s what’s happening right now with a
lot of people.
What happened out west, if what appears to
have happened happened out west, when
you’re digging your position, I’ve talked about
this before but I want to make sure that
everybody gets this again, the most common
way from the air they will identify a target is
through thermal energy. Well, hot spots like us
do stand out to a certain extent, with earthen
cover the temperature changes and it's much
harder to define its signature. However, most
people dig a hole, and throw the dirt up on top.
When they’re done they put their overhead
cover in place with their structure and their
sandbags, then throw the dirt over on top again
and spread everything out. What you’ve
surprisingly,
weapons.
Discussion groups
on the Internet quite
frequently fill
themselves with
arguments about
which gun is best
for a militiaman.
These arguments go
on endlessly, as
each participant
strives to show that
he knows more
obscure gun facts
than the next
person.
Interestingly, later
on in this video
Koernke seems to
bypass this subject,
suggesting that any
long-range weapon
will do.
The incident in
California to which
Koernke briefly
refers actually took
place. In early 1994
a Tulare County
sheriff's deputy
discovered a bunker
full of weapons in a
national park in
California. This led
to a two-month
investigation which
discovered several
other bunkers and
eventually resulted
in the arrests of six
men and one
woman. The
bunkers were
located in Sequoia
National Forest,
Los Padres National
Forest and Angeles
created is a shoot-me symbol, because all that
is inorganic subsoil that does not have the
living matter in it, becomes a big shining target
as large as you’ve spread out. And that’s what
probably happened in California, they’re using
the IRT system, the infrared surveillance
technology, which is state of the art. They
probably scanned an area and what they’re
looking for are sites like this where you have
nice neat squares where somebody dug a hole
and buried something and they just filled the
hole back in, they didn’t pay any attention to
what they were doing. When you dig a hole,
either bring visiclean or ponchos with you, lay
the visiclean or ponchos around the site to be
dug, take the surface soil and literally sod it
out, scab it out and save it. Once you’ve done
that, take the subsoil out, either fill the
sandbags you;re going to be using if you're
fitting a fighting position or take it and save it
to be moved , again, you could use sandbags
for this, they’re the easiest sized container, or
five gallon plastic buckets, whatever you’ve
got.
When you’re done, bring your position back
up, camouflage accordingly with the topsoil,
and using the original topsoil slabs that were
on the cut, make sure they're situated the same
on the overhead cover, so when they look
down or when they’re shooting down in a
surveillance mode, they’re going to get
something that looks basically like what’s been
there forever. Now you can modify this with
other organic material such as fallen timber,
rotted debris, you could also enhance the area
by bringing in seed and actually developing
from other materials in the area, overgrowth,
and you should think about that now, this is the
time to do it. And once it’s done it will have
that Star Wars lifted effect, and you leave it.
You may not use it this month, you may not
use it next month. But I’d rather be a few feet
underground than with my ass hanging to the
wind aboveground with someone trying to
shoot at me. Also, these give you areas or rally
points that your individual sections can use if
you have to leave the house and go somewhere
else. This will be an objective, a first rally
National Forest.
Some were as much
as eight feet deep
and forty feet long.
Occasionally forest
rangers and other
officials ran into
members of the
paramilitary group,
who passed
themselves off as
various federal
agents, including a
fictitious agency
called the "U.S.
Enforcement
Agency." One of the
members had a
previous criminal
record. The
individuals were
charged with
conspiracy to
commit an offense
against the United
States, false
impersonation of a
U.S. officer,
possession of a
firearm by a felon
(for one individual),
and malicious
destruction of
federal property.
The individuals
charged were Peter
Thomas Clark (the
leader, who claimed
to have been a
colonel in the
French Foreign
Legion), John
Delacruz, Jack
Tsung Shieng Wu,
Rebecca Lynn
Perkins, Daniel
Gomez, Robert
Ramos, and Darren
