Table Of ContentLiberty Seated
The E-Gobrecht Collectors Club
2009 Volume5,Issue10
TheElectronicNewsletteroftheLIBERTYSEATEDCOLLECTORSCLUB
October2009(Whole#57)
Time to Vote! What’sInsidethisissue?
AuctionNews 2-3
No,not for yourfavorite politicianbut for your favoriteGobrecht Journal arti-
byJimGray
cle. Duringtheweekof September21st, LSCC members weresent twoballots
QuestionoftheMonth 3
withtheir2009-2010dues notice. Theballots are forthe:
byPaulKluth
AnswerstoQoM 3
Kamal M.Ahwash LiteraryAward 2008-2009
GreerandAhwashPlate 4-11
This awardis forthebest articletoappearintheGobrecht Journal duringthe
Coins-PCGSGrading
past yearincludingissues 103,104,and105. Aselectionoftwenty-onearticles ResultsbyGerryFortin
areontheballot andeachmembercanvoteforuptothreearticles.
WhathappenedtoRoy 11
Ash?
James B. Pryor Numismatic ResearchAward
SubscriberCorrespon- 12
This awardwas establishedtorecognizeanoutstandingcontributiontonumis- dence
maticresearchon LibertySeatedcoinagethrough publicationintheGobrecht
InformationWanted, 13
Journal. This awardis presentedforthebest researcharticlepublishedinthe AvailabilityofPastIssues
oftheE-Gobrecht,and
journal overthe25 consecutiveissues from #76through#100. Thecluboffi-
Advertisements
cers selectedthe15 articles theyfeel are worthyof this awardand eachmember
LSCCInformation 14
canvoteforuptothree articles. Forthose without access tothese15 articles, a
short summaryofthesearticles areincludedinaspecial editionoftheE-
Gobrecht,whichwas emailedtoall subscribers on September26,2009.
Clubmembers, pleasetakethetimetovotefor yourfavorite articles andsend
theballots inwith yourdues pertheinstructions includedintheletter.
Club Members meet at the recent
Long Beach Show
Clubmember,BradDePew,reports that fivemembers of LSCC met for a someSeatedcoinagecamarade-
rie. Theyheld anopenforum typeofmeeting; just fiveguys sittingaroundatabletalkingabout coins.
Discussioncovered whetherornot theminters storeddies inasafewhennot inuse,thebenefits of having
thenewHalf Dollarbook inlooseleafform overbound, andtheeffect hoardingofcertaindates has onval-
ues forthevarieties. Interspersedwas ShowandTell forcoins theywanted toshareandshowoff. A possi-
blenewdimevarietywas displayed andis beingresearched. Theyall enjoyedtheconversationandagreed
tomeet again.
TheE-GobrechtisatwiceawardwinningelectronicpublicationoftheLibertySeatedCollectorsClub(LSCC). The
LSCCisanon-profitorganizationdedicatedtotheattributionsoftheLibertySeatedCoinseries. TheLSCCprovidestheinfor-
mationcontainedinthisemailnewsletterfromvarioussourcesfreeofchargeasageneralservicetothemembershipandothers
withthisnumismaticinterest. YoudonothavetobeaLSCCmembertobenefitfromthisnewsletter;subscriptiontotheE-
Gobrechtisavailabletoanyone. Alldisclaimersareineffectasthecompletenessand/oraccuracyoftheinformationcontained
hereincannotbecompletelyverified. Contactinformationisincludedattheend.
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Auction News
by Jim Gray
TheBowers &Merena 1843-OdimeinVF30withnicenatural graytoning
PhiladelphiaSalefeaturedan at $805andawholesome 1856-S dimeinFine15 hit
1845-OdimeinVF20that was $748.
niceforthe gradebut did not An1852-OquarterinVF30but soft on Lib-
sell.Two1872-CC dimes werepresented,onein erty’s head andthestars went for$2,185,while a
XF40that was cleanedanddamagedwithmanypin bright white,well struck andmarkfree1856-S in
scratches for$1,553 and aVG8withtheright ob- AU58soldfor$5,750. Adeeplytoned1858-S in
verselegend gonethat didnot sell. Alovelyprob- VF35andverynicehit $3,105,whereas acorroded
lem free1873-CC witharrows inXF45soaredto 1860-S inFine12onlyekedout $403. Achoice
$20,700. Twoduplicates,oneinXF40cleaned and 1867-S quarterinMS62that was well struck, with
corroded went for$2,687 andabetter XF40piece light graytoning,andonlyone finer at PCGS rang
that was cleanedandnicelyretonedwent for$6,900. thegongfor$18,400.
Anadditional 1873-CC dimeinVF25withanice An1855-S halfwas gradedAU55inspiteof
obversebut weakonthe reverse,particularlythede- thewearbeingacross the draperylinestill managed
nomination,didnot sell. $7,763,andan1870-CC halfwithVGdetails but
An1856-S/s quarterinG6that was well scratchedandrim dinged went for$863.
wornandproblem freewent for$834. An1857-S in Alightlytoned1851original dollarinMS63
XF45withadarkmottledobverseonlyrealized soaredto$54,625. 1854 and1856dollars inAU50
$920. An1867-S inFine 12but veryweakonthe andAU58,respectively, eachsoldfor $5,175. An
right sideof Libertydidnot sell. Awell struck 1871-CC dollarinAU50withslightlymottledtoning
bright white1869-S inMS62was impairedbyadark hit astrong$20,700.
area at DOLanddidnot sell. An1870-CC inVF The Stack’sAmericana Salehadveryfew
that hadbeen cleaned but hadnicelyretonedinal- relevant Seatedcoins but didincludeacompleteset
bum soldfor$8,050. An1872-CC inVG8andde- of LibertySeateddimes that weremainlyinlower
cent forthe gradehit $1,725,whilean1872-S in grades andmanyimpaired. Onemultiplelot con-
VF20withdarkmottledtoningdidnot sell. tainedseventy-fivecoins. Othercoins ofrelevance
Anattractive1873-CC witharrows halfin were an1841-O closedbudinVF,but corroded,
AU50realized$2,875. cleaned andretoned,still managed$1,725. An1860-
The Heritage LongBeachSalefeaturedan (Continuedonpage3)
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for$1,150andanicefor thegrade1874-CC inG6
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OdimeinFine12hit $1,092,whereas arough, roseto$9,200. Twocertified1873-CC dimes that
cleaned andporous 1871-CC inVFdidnot sell. A werenot part ofthecollectionwere as follows: a VF
cleaned andrough1872 dimeinFine12hit $862. 35withnicemedium graytoningfor$10,063 and a
An1873-CC inVG8,but dentedand granular,went F15withdeepsteel toningdidnot sell.
Question of the Month
Topicfore-DiscussionbyPaulKluth
Atopic of obvious extreme importance at coins shows... Which Coin
Shows/Conventions that you attend offer the best food? Which Shows aren't so good?
All responses are welcome! Please consider taking a few moments and sending in your
thoughts and opinions. Send your reply to the E-Gobrecht editor at [email protected].
Answers to last Month’s Question
If one were to compile a list of the top 10 collections of Liberty Seated Half Dollars to
be offered for sale at public auction, which sales would be on your list?
From Bill Bugert: Although not necessarily the top collections that were auctioned, here is
a listing of some of my favorite auctioned collections and catalogues in no particular order:
James Bennett Pryor Collection, B&M 1/1996
George Byers Collection, Stack’s 10/2006
Queller Family Collection of Half Dollars, Stack’s 10/2002
Richmond Collection Part III, DLRC 3/2005
Louis Eliasberg, Sr. Collection, B&M 4/1997
Superior 10/1973
Jules Reiver Collection, Volume II, Heritage 1/2006
Norweb Collection, B&M 11/1998
Rarities Sale (Douglas Noblet Collection), B&M 1/1999
1975ANASale, Superior 8/1975
RLMiles Collection, Stack’s 4/1969
Robison Collection, Stack's 1/1982
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Greer and Ahwash Plate Coins –
PCGS Grading Results
By Gerry Fortin
It was time….. Consideringtheamount of effort to collections. At the2009FUNshow andthe2009
publicizetheTop100 LibertySeatedDimeVarieties Los Angeles ANA, aportionoftheTop100varieties
andnow,theHistorical Collections initiative,itwas andcombinationAhwash andGreerplate coins were
timetostart thethirdpartycertificationprocess for submittedtoPCGS to“test thewaters”on current
rawAhwash andGreerseateddimes. All ofthe Ah- gradingstandards. Current thirdpartygrading
wash andGreerplatecoins inmycollectionwere (TPG) gossipwas that of conservative andtight
securedduringtheearly1990s timeframeandmostly grading. Iwas hesitant tospendconsiderablemonies
from Stack’s or Brian Greer. Asignificant number tocertifycirculated,AU andlowerend mint state
ofAhwash plate coins appearedduringtheStack’s dimes ifthegradingwas unreasonableonlyto crack
auctionoftheAllen F. LovejoyCollectiononOcto- out theresults andentertheresubmissionprocess.
ber16,1990followedbyreappearances insubse- Forcirculated coins, thecrackout andresubmission
quent Stack’s orCoinGalleries auctions. Hours process was not financiallyattractive giventhe exist-
werespent checkingeachnewStack’s auctioncata- ingrecognitionofAhwashandGreerplate coin
logfortheremotepossibilityof aresurfacingAh- amongfellowcollectors.
wash platecoinuntil 1995orso. After1995, Ibe-
lievetheresidual Ahwashplatecoins werewidely
This articleis abriefreport onAhwash andGreer
dispersedthroughout the numismaticcommunityif
platecoins results from thefirst twosubmissions.
not placeinseveral majorcollections. Theacquisi-
Ratherthanwrite anextensivecommentaryon
tionoftheGreerplatecoins cameabout duringthe
whetherPCGS underor over gradedcertaindimes, I
1992through1996timeframeas aresult ofaper-
will leavethejudgment tothe E-Gobrechtreaders.
sonal relationshipwithBrianduringthefinal prepa-
There aremanyopinions whenthesubject ofTPG is
rationstages of,“TheCompleteGuideto Liberty
discussed. Gradingstandards have eased andtight-
SeatedDimes.” Briandesiredtosell his collection
enedwhiletheseplatecoins quietlysat inmycollec-
andfortunately, Iwas oneoftheearlybuyers. I
tion. As theFUNand ANAsubmissions areexam-
hopedtomaintainsomeintegrityforhis guidebook
ined,onecandrawthe conclusionthat BrianGreer
collectionforsubsequent usageinacomprehensive
employed conservative grading duringthesaleof
seateddimevarieties bookthat was intheplanning
his collection. Ihope youenjoyviewingthefollow-
stage at that time.
inggradingresult pictorial anddescriptions.
Manyofthe LSCCE-Gobrechtreaders are aware
If youownor are aware ofAhwash or Greerplate
that theTop100 LibertySeatedDimeVarieties set is
coins inthenumismaticcommunity, yourhelpwould
listedas anNGC Signatureset,
beappreciated fordocumentingthosedimewithin
(http://coins.www.collectors-
theHistorical Collections moduleat
soci-
www.seateddimevarieties.com. Pleasedonot hesi-
ety.com/registry/coins/ViewPersonalCollection.aspx
tatetocontact [email protected].
?UserCollectionID=151&Tab=list)againforpublic-
itypurposes. Unfortunately, Ihavebeenquiteneg-
ligent inpopulatingthat onlineset duetomost ofthe
As Always…..HappyHunting!
platecoins beingusedto illustratetheTop100set
were raw; manycamefrom theAhwash andGreer
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1838-OF-101– Greer Plate Coin
Purchased during 1992 from Brian Greer, graded EF45
2009 certification asPCGSAU 50
1838 Large StarsF-103b –GreerPlate Coin
Purchased during 1993 from Brian Greer, graded AU55
2009 certification asPCGSAU 55
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1838 F-110a–Top 100Varieties#8 - CrackedObverse #2,Greer VarietyPlate Coin
Purchased during 1992 from Brian Greer, graded EF40
2009 certification asPCGSEF 45
1838 F-111a–Top 100Varieties#9 - CrackedObverse #3,Greer VarietyPlate Coin
Purchased during 1992 from Brian Greer, graded AU55
2009 certification asPCGSAU 58
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1839-OF-103– Top 100 Varieties#11- Small O Obv/Large O Rev, Ahwash Plate Coin
Purchased during 1995 from Stack’s, graded AU 50
2009 certification asPCGSEF 45
1840-OF-101a– LargeO Reverse,Greer PlateCoin
Purchased during 1995 from Brian Greer, graded AU50
2009 certification asPCGSAU 58
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1840-O F-106 –Top 100 Varieties#16 –Medium O Rev with Crack, Greer Plate Coin
Purchased during 1995 from Brian Greer, graded EF45
2009 certification asPCGSEF 40
1841-OF-104 –Medium O, Greer Plate Coin
Purchased during 1995 from Brian Greer, graded AU50
2009 certification asPCGSAU 55
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1841-O F-105–Small O Reverse of 1842-O, Greer VarietyPlate Coin
Purchased during 1996 from Brian Greer, graded EF45
2009 certification asPCGSEF 45
1843 F-102– Top 100Varieties#25- Repunched 1843/1843, Greer Plate Coin
Purchased during 1992 from Brian Greer, graded AU50
2009 certification asPCGSAU 55
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1852 F-105– Top 100Varieties#33- Repunched 52, Greer Plate Coin
Purchased during 1992 from Brian Greer, graded AU50
2009 certification asPCGSAU 58
1854-O F-102–Top 100 Varieties#38 – Shattered Obverse, Greer Plate Coin
Purchased during 1996 from Brian Greer, graded EF45
2009 certification asPCGSAU 50
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