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tad elncer with Prasidest Trump In he Green Rooin acche White House Ist night
ati:3U pro, We nt facing each ather ata small ave: table set far twa an3 placed in
the venteroftchernava, There were twoservers (hm hed the chance Lachatvicha
hithecause farrived abou 10 menies arly, they were both retired Navy
subaaviners and we oad n fun discussion about heigst cleavaaice in subinaries?
‘The servers were of i tho room kan they delivered fond ow rariaved plates,
the convcatin ih was pleesauratall ees, as coat vith opis touched
teh then ttaened dys aking ever dificl lo cect
Teemel Huan fell he yoves aa convorscion andthe orr of dneocion with
Ngroonfdenen,Hdor, ven she nature of here ia eine posit ile
Tive te aueteard ight ths order as lip arnt ean wa,
Conversonanyigsew pz Ina wa, widen ect apo’ uy, tee dear then
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rhe Pesdent poke an overwheig alonyy Fie ane, Ke nav aied ex ae i
pet eaded ucsian oc ete ets tases apc cfeocranian, Pye were |
almost no perils af sflence dering the L hour and 20 minutes, except unce or twice
‘phen the Presidenl paused as the servers entered. felt comfortable througbous,
although never relaxed, given the focus onversudon required
‘Avvatious thoes, he tilled abuut the inauguration are crowd size, the campaign and
hivelfective use frac media (‘earned media") ie extraordinary luvuty al the
Whice House (hich he favorably compared to Mat-¥-lagu?, his many acesies
ring the dag and week, his young sons Reight, chu vicieusness cf the carpal.
(Wehere Eintarfecta abou Adana and etforson he sald Had heen given # hook
beat seh was upstate} how he hall notbren inocklnga handicapped
eparter, had aot agsauled any of the women wha claimed he did (reviewing in
hetllegations) and many other things, EWE atvmpe ta recount in
iychdse parts that related in some way'to my wari
Fe touched an my feture aL vacious points, Fhe ffs ine be ached “so what do you
‘want to da," explatuing that lots of peogte wanted my’ Job ['#30ur 20 people") that
Ire thought very highly of me sid had heard arearthings, that the pagple af thc FHL
really lke ti, bu he cvould understand if wanted to walk aay given all hae
been larough, althoyeh he Cnought#hal vl he bal far ie perl’ boca i
would look Uke Thal done something wrong hae he uf course eak mae a change at
2 ithe wants bate wants ta knaw vikse | thiek, Thece was no arkazaedemant
Jay bine [or me) that we had aizeady talked wnat chis twee,
| responded by saying that he could fire me any tis he wished, bul tat wanted ce
sryend dan jbl togeand chink | am daung wall. explained that I never expected
tobe tack in government but bad ound 2s job hgeiyveardg ad wane ws :
serve um ecm. {ated that 1 was "oat" inane ety Ba not the way
teltea people sonjetines ee Hho term. |emplaned thr he el cou cn sto
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vieasel oven Huts vas no x anybodysside golly and cou notbe coud
Onin thacrradivonal ple! ene, whch al shoughewos ic he presidents
bese interest. Ha afseéwhethor tht Files and snawered tha of oure ine
rps o{ 380 we wares ve sor of hak tl ad hsitho FOC
lente lee an ie oflensay. Lprediced he, Real Presiden, would
Alscayarthe entie|governmape waks He crazy and explained thet often comes
fam the first or sedonct hop cus rom those 2ctuallworkingn the senscive thing
He rapiad that he ieeded Yoyalty and expected Isyaly. I did not eply, or even ned
‘oF change my fava axprassin, which he nebed heat we conve buck toilater.
The conversitisn then swerve ato loag discussion of che eimil ineestigation
{whlch we returned tt least anze mare). thls was where I spoke the most and
Tal apt for bimn may thinkin (with frequent inteeruptlon} Ina manner similar > my
iscussions with Senators Felnstzin and Grassley during our one-on-ones. The De
oval added vas abour te AG siectiny me nol touse the ward “investigation.”
tie bnew the sequegeo uf events extrero.y well, brasking thens dow in his lexicon
Inka Comey One, Camey Two, and Comey Taree developments and he walked
threugh hew he saw each played owt duting the carnpalgn in great detail He aveed
Uibother Isvas te “chece wana revole” afer Comey One, | sald that swag wonsease
‘and | had worked hid tn seo fol had concerns. tadded that surely didn’t need
totell hm that the media sometimes gets stuTuirang. {oeplalsed thatthe
irvet\gators ll agreed there was au case; he sal he cisagreed and though here
wapacare, He asked me at severe] paint how hae felé up under al the abuse,
explained the freedom thaccemes fom doing the eight ching i the eiuhe way,
surrounded by people who are helping make the deciiansia the ama vay
Acehis putt he asked wm (ani asked again [ater} whether “your puy MeCabe” bas a
problem wth me, eplaiatng tha. wus prety row on him and rs wife dures the
‘aimpaign” (explained thot Andy was a true profecriona! ane had no problen, tall
‘hen explained what FRE paosto weve Hike, Hat whatsver there personal views,
they sip them whqa they step fpeo their bureau roles and actually hold “paligeal
people” in light contetapt, thot regard ro party
Atwooutthis point he asked met compare AG lllder and AG kyneh, taal 6
thaugh. AG Holder was ematter aaé mors sophierlcated uel stcther than AG
Lynch, who added isa good person. Ee.saif Holder and Presitent Obaria vere
Quite clove, Prephied thatthey wars wid iitiusteated in my eivve,a mistalce
Prusienis maive ores und over agehir Bocuse whey reasun that probleme &¢3
Drasiden often cov Chm Jute, thy’ try to being ste cuse, which
paraonjally rakee nga worse becuse au independent 2Of and FOI ave becor
(ca Present und thecountry. | ited off ian iitehell, 8é Me, an Al Gonzales
ssexamples al thi mictake and he added Bobby Kennedy.
‘ahora this pia, he termed ts what he ced the “poiden stirs thing nd
treauiced nschat what head ai previously on ot fple He repeat Matic
‘ssw ened ahreation snd aku mewn’ I enpiined agai why ha Totghlit
Iinportanethat he know aBOULI | alo expiinedthatone ofthe reasons sels
thin as thot mets, CNH in paren wa ling un hey woee aback son
seth He ssid othsved hi as wife ugh? Met vate aoe pce
hance it wan uve thay cespect He aie he had pen te people mba hed en on
the Maa Universe ip wits him anl they bad ramindes hatha he ide tay oar
sigatin Rsia fo fat. He sigh rtived In the nornng cid evens, tet
shumered and dnespod For the pagoant othe hol (he dnsay the hotel mare)
Wrote pageant Aterwatds bo renee Only tog i hinge beau ey
departed for New tock by pana caranie nig. He said he caught maybe he
Should ame so qvestgat the whole thing prove waa. did wotask oy
Guests |repod that was ap 6 im, ost | rele wane ea eeabe a earcatve
thotwe wete incestigating tty, beemise see are not ard | worried sech ti,
ttowa be ruaconstreed, {rdsu vad tha kiswetyeifcale disprove ale He sid
“rye peg but several ney aed me co ten sbout it and ald he mould
aloothniesbour
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had ended up wet te ausltion aad tha liad hece pleasantly surprised that
Prasidenc Obama thought of the rele the way did: He wanted competence aod
fadependence and didn't want the BEI invalved in poliyy, He wanted ty bo atle te
sleep at ight lowing the FB! was wel un
‘The Peasident ten spake agatn about belng giad | wantce -a stay. He said Matis
sald great things about me as dia Sessions, He explained Wr had asked a lo oF
people abuut ine aid heard great things. He then remirnad ea layalty. saying “need
layatyy” (replied char e weld always gre honesty froma me. Hie pated and sald
‘hav what be warts, "honest loyalty” replied "you wil gecthat frome” (tie
possible me understood thet phrase diffevanty, but chose ta undarstand ita
‘eonsistent with whge) had sald throughout the conversation: I will serve the
Prasiden wth loyalty to the office, the eountry, and the truth, | decide I would not
be provtuctive en push che subject fete}
Ac about this polar eased agatn about “your guy McCabe" aud whathar he was
*gaingto be aly] agate affirmed Ancy’s ability and professionalism and said the
resident woul: sameto see and Reefton ho
$e theo asked who | thoutt | toute “doa with” and he suggested Reince Priekus. 1
explained chat inthe pror admlnlsttaion my WH conenees were withthe COS, othe
Devple iu tike Ryn oh and Yr Besseres Job He sald “Relnce dacsr’tknow we
relating inne” but he will :ell him and that should desl with ince. He cher
Sept gle athe hana ueretions dow: ie jo signee
and lstcated wlth a stury bom that day ip wich the President appre
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ago, Apparel. ab the Presiden was 2rastng PM Nay. be was enh
fat been the firscto call himaftr his tagupyreion and Fyn atresp oaat.
IMUM ind csled (Urs: ppavently). fewas then thatae Presider earned o lll
calla lcorfvorted Flynn about (noe leat whether (abv inthe iomentor
STter the nck wth BH fay; Fly eid te tira wo shld fx Sarde
dwbichpretapced afcatd repy from the Pretdant Lats days as uotan
appropriate perlod of time tg return a call fron thet country like,
Th Five ara taling about) We sat that Fh called
lide gata Tatu cal for sir daya ha would bo very et, inelng
Crestor Prcfiene pola ie fagers a fir heal ani sad the poy bau seria
Judgment suc” did aot comment eazy paint duringthis opie aed there was
ho mention ov ackjowleggnint ofan Pat interest ar eatart wl General yi,
ig tha she
‘Aa we gotup, he sald wo should have my family hack or finer. When
reply, he added, “or a tous, whaleveryou Uhlnk is appropr’ate" As ie stepped from,
tha Green Roary, he sald "Relace knows wore are having diane” [the opposite of
‘what ie smd earligg) “deal wit itn iti al hire.” He chen welled te it the
amt flocm, Laid hod been there before when President Ohama held bindinaer
forsenior sted nd appointees around Christinss. We ton shook hands aud parted
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fe Prebas. st walled i fox West Ex | sow ana rly chat wth Preston
Fic 2nd jen Moone sho vere there coda defensive brs
As waited nthe West Wing lobby, Blk Fly sone by and ot down, We
utd fer aun five nip ate ht cs jc, hllenges in ewiding
yrwo-¥ing with Sigua hed never been in gota aber
ine ees et. here wes nammention bck 9 lca
COS Priebus's asilancenme snd goeme and touk me wu bir ce. He
agrottu me and we snt with ls desghetwecn us. He evplaleed thot eh was a
Enaucete get aeqialnted, and he guided the conwersanion i. waiegy of dlecions
Jy in os; conversation ke brought ofthe memigration order and asked il
vasa anyer. Hw shod agreed thacthe orice appearlacily vat. | seid 35
Tecinzed OC had the Prealdenc has braad authority mthwaves. Vodded rab
beeatesramigration Sas natn FBI issue, Lad ofowred the court discus
finy ne eM ret know sehatcopsderatlons sere mighthe heycnd the
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nd derided itmnde migesense
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audience, He pressed spain aud az thr the water] wa explained
thateie primare sure sich of wae constant oR sa
Covtsttatve af oer intelligence. 48d East the inca present needed We know
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plained eo hima hott uae divi the Prosi: has axpretd teense in
svangime Investigate the Golden Shomers thing £ repeated wat hae tll the
ord ahoue nove ting eee narzatite that We Were Inv IESE Rg lm
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‘ime rem lakes a have lel government. Ke askes whether I: could Reve conte
Fm tle FAL fd res poate hut tremely ur ike’y In vow. We talked about
fis In generarand¢splaned my teve Un Uiey anastalveys conse free ane 6
xan ed thas very president lafled by the, Ae ated its: ba? ever
tought Pi le Paid we nad. Huo uray rere tig because eres abe
Turned on aur wikingess tc go after reporter records, He ten reall the Gham
evninsstacion cones th Jaynes Rosen of Fux. Wr ale anentnn ee ul
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aud ora fe sacande and than ld het Mould sagwer her, nu tht :
iiuatered the Kind of question that bap Baha? and answered through i
cctaiited stants alle anno then explained thie normal :
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YeConaugh about, | saidtwo kinds of things: polly Uke Going Dark, and peice
personal eeuas ifwe wre lacing Cerrar hereto here was a inteligence
‘eetacon thay wes sonsitive, Le weuld call me lo cl thuugh the cuter and fd
‘tdirecly what he needed to now. Ralace responded that thats help ard
‘be hoped waald call hen ta for thoughts whenever 1 hough hey wand benef
From thom, wincther not itrealed ko the FEL. He said they would weleome the
feadck. Hald | would
Ha sald te understnce! my dinner ve.thahe Proconrhad gone very walled ;
‘ane waa Interested in my staying on. Trapented what i had eld the President :
Iecludiegtbal we bad agreed notto aunounes anything, Relnee sake ext low i F
orkid] oxple ed tha: had 2 ten-yaar tere and, althasigh ine Preside cout :
Sieve anytime he Hed, Ivould pst continue ray term, There wes acl to
urinyche conversation, Reiner alsa touched the emall nvestigation thy,
svn Grae inten tama hae msp-aged my inal acnourcement and shoal
hove oushad ¥ harder as ped news. Ho alse sav. rflectively.chettwasa’tthe
fussing’ fan thae she fed te campaign m Misrigen, anil eaert se fal that
ire set ap hry spall he viny she dl. He ther. pressed me on svhy wrest:
shargeable gross negliztce” une | tack hina through te focts and te lav. AL
“Sones pain |added thai aley oan mf eat Huta Abedls fara eats
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‘yaw Pre Jona seated peta hi desig opcaking lo Stan Spee” He introduce!
yee Nf. So.es ire shone ny pd and departed Reince stayed staced mp
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invaaigelion Gadrdoring aloud what itwauldhaveseer liketo eur a
‘Senders if: had reuommended charging Mlillary Clinton). He agked (as ke has a or
Sinace, whether my deputy had 2 problem with im, end recounting how bard he
haa bee on the campaign Lil saying “the number 2 guy 4c the FEF tock s millon
Solis raw the lias” Layaiv explained daa Andy MaCabs wa ru. Hrd
‘woetherhe had ever mentioned tore the carspaign attas. said "never" and
Suain enplained he yi rue pra end you would ctme to value hie. “aa he had
Ieee dr-aver agalo mau he wcull urge his wefe net > rue, but thet the guy pu
ceverpthiqaside nnd did bis ok wel
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austra.inand Mevles, explaining tha the leaks cule n't have come Fram 8 “other
de" ané he understout we were helping lock into that. Rainceintoryected that
“alloy” wor laokang a ieand we were helping’ Isai would allow cp tn A oat
shat wae ging &
‘ha Fresilenc aught up che "algen Stowers thing“and said rely
bathed hn hea had any doubt aboutit Hs thon planed ape daar
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rmueting was Scheduled fer 4 pm but was debaved ky 2 prior mucking wich was
fpareaty relate tothe ongoing Lagation ver he immgrstinn evervtive order.
‘he Ai pd te DHS wor ithe eater anc cSing anemia the Oval hoe any
moving began, a2 ahout 415,
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iefeand 2:NETC a my right. Stali members ory piel the coeches sd chateau
tne Tern Bossom parched an the arm ef a cour costeer (be xen. | Rot coc[3ree
Rushrar and stephen Hannan by face, Mile Demprey om she V's NSA seere ase
rereand lan or tee others (I chi Including Reinee Prietus).
‘cths completion afthe senion, tke Progldentthanlod avoryene and suid be
ranted raspaale Wich mv alane ‘The AG ngored womentarlly by my cate bet rhe
Freee ranked aman suid be wantad to meet with Jim He repeat tsa!
Ieasane mare Lime shor peopic out. Everyone lek exceat Jared Kvshner, wh
Stapp by ty Cha te shake hands al exclange pleasanttes, including ew briet
‘rors abautthe chalfenges ofthe email nvestgation. The Presideat avec th's
ietenchange hutthen old My Kushner tht he wanted Uo eeeet th ne hat ltt
the wea ofes abate,
ie hepa 3y saying ae winced to “talk bout de Fyn ethan sald cat
Slthagh Fb “adn stone anything rung In hiseak with the Russanstapotat
Ie made atleas:-tw more times tn ehe conversation), he Ra ole im go because
he led the Vice Presléone,whhow: he described asa good guy” He expalzed Gxt
hos eid Ehav Fa ausleadiog the Viee Pros.dert and in any even ba
reli nonegtna BAUEE Tn, ane Ra ren fly cong, sole had eo fo Flynn ss
ked mei had gees Scen Spices peessbretingtaday and | ype shat
Iud-ns esa ne ad cre + great pb oF exntsing wy they di hat xy A
Tis tem aad “you gv nay Tweet his warning" qty added that tis
eal about the ure” He than revived inane dotall Th oaks of hs calls wth
(GecrarersarMenien and Australia, cluding haw the calls lt ow he
"sumed thot calle he maa On "this basutiul pone [iuchng te fray phoeecn the
ek were conlgeatha, haw sald have cam fm the Mex-ear OF
rstana, sue the so eiptsaetsally ine de tinge ne dower remeber sayiog
[Pane they say ln on 2of the ors realest menor |, and chat I aes Us
look cereble to have these ergs leaking, He thes veered at length to ye leaks
Felating co Ml Flynn's eal withthe Russians which ne strsiad Was ML TEE
ny wee anal Int call" hu tak che leaks were terrible
List iaosjucLenvaral Lines uv aytee wth hie chute Feats bring ere
tecrunausceszhvt When he finished! said agroed vary much inti was tein
Ihe seals seth reign leders leaked. Land they were che and he eds
ibe ake spesh o lnvsis leaders in confide. | OTR: besause alsin an
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